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Posted Jun 09,2005 5:22 PM Enrique

Hi guys

After many DVD9 DDP 2.0 images sent to a replicator in 2 DVD-Rs and replicated succesfully, all of a sudden I started getting rejections (like 5 in a row)from them.
I usually create this DDP images from a DVD.img or a Video_TS folder,and I always make sure to Compare after I generate the DDP images. Usually TFDVDEdit says that there are no errors.
If there are any, I repeat the creation, compare, till I get none.
I then record the Layer 0 and 1 folders with Toast and let the verification run its course.
What could be happening? One report from one of the jobs read:

Input shorter than expected

The Data Stream Lenght value for one of the files described by the Map Stream entry is less than the amount of data that is actually contained in the file.
A DDPMS entry described an input file containing Main Channel data. The filename is displayed in the Additional Info column of the Analysis tab. The DSL fiel in the DDPMS file gives the lenght, in sectors, of the file. If the lenght recorded in this field is less than the actual lenght of the file, this message is displayed.
The DSL value for the file is calculated by converting the file size into sectors. To calculate the number of sectors, the file size is divided by the record size, as described by the Source Storage Mode. For example, if the Source Sotrage Mode is 0, indicating a 2048-byte record size, then DSL=File Size/2048
Type: DDP Rule
Reference: None
Default Program Action: Error
Rule ID: 3

BTW, nothings been changed in my system.

Posted Jun 09,2005 5:27 PM Trai

Hi Enrique,

Which version of the beta are you running?

Thanks,

Trai

Posted Jun 09,2005 6:30 PM Enrique

TFDVDEdit 3.0b25

Posted Jun 10,2005 12:50 AM larryapple

Hi Enrique,

We need more information, without at least our log file from the DLT creation we can only guess. The best solution would be to send me the two data DVD-Rs. You would be amazed at how easy it is to track down problems when I have the data, and how difficult it is without it.

My address for US Mail is:

Larry Applegate
PO Box 37
Coloma CA 95613

or Fedex, DHL, UPS:

6871 Marshall Rd.
Coloma CA 95613

Posted Jun 10,2005 12:39 PM Enrique

Hi Larry

They are going out by FedEx today, you'll get them on Monday, hopefully.
Please keep me posted. Thanx!

Posted Jun 13,2005 6:28 PM larryapple

Hi Enrique,

I received your DDP Images today, they are perfect! So your replicator must be having a procedural problem, or a DVD drive that can't read DVD-R very well. I verified them with Eclipse 4.0, no errors or warnings, except for my not having the CSS keys, of course. I also extracted the image to a folder and am enjoying the concert on my nice G5 stereo system.

Regards,

Larry

Posted Jun 13,2005 7:00 PM Enrique

Thanks, Larry, this is very good news for me. I was going out of my mind with all this rejections I was having. Time to put the replicator through the grinder...Ill drop by there tomorrow and keep you posted.
Best regards, and thanks again.

Posted Jun 15,2005 11:22 AM Enrique

Hi Larry

I sent the replicator your report, and this is the answer he provided (I had to translate from Spanish to English, so if you find something you don't quite understand, please let me know)

"The forum's report about Enrique's DVD-Rs is truthful but not representative of the format that was used. The DVD-Rs Enrique recorded contain DDP files, so that when you analyze them in the Eclipse, you have to set it to read from file and provide the drive's address where the premaster is inserted. The person who analyzed this didn't do this (or doesn't know he has to do it) and analyzed the DVD as a Finished project, so, if it was well recorded, it doesn't show any errors, but the DDP files for this DVD have errors:
The error is very basic and exactly like the one informed by LDA. The DDPMS tells that the data length is 1558096 sectors, but the file has actually 1048576, aproximately 509520 less sectors."

I'll be waiting for your comments, as these waters are *too* deep for me. Best regards

Posted Jun 15,2005 11:59 AM Trai

Hi Enrique,

If that's what happened, we'll have a fix for your quickly, I'm sure.

Thanks,

Trai

Posted Jun 15,2005 3:43 PM larryapple

Hi Enrique,

Apparently the replicator tried to read them directly from a special DVD-R drive as if they were finished DVDs. He must first create a folder on his hard drive, give it the name of your project (Caetano Veloso), then copy the layer0 folder to the Caetano Veloso folder from one of the DVD-Rs, then copy the layer1 folder to that same folder from the other DVD-R. Then in Eclipse Image Analysis, in the Source Input box, select "File", not a tape or disc drive, and in the DDP Location box, select first the Layer0 folder, run the analysis, then run it again for Layer1. The procedure for Eclipse Image Copy is exactly the same.

Regards,

Larry

Posted Jun 15,2005 4:22 PM larryapple

Hi Enrique,

I emailed you the two log files produced by Eclipse, one for layer 0 and one for layer 1. The replicator will be able to open them in Eclipse and see that everything is fine. You may also open them in TextEdit.

Regards,

Larry

Posted Jun 15,2005 4:24 PM Enrique

Hi Larry

I talked extensively with him this morning (the Mastering Manager), and he was aware of the differences, but he was kind of miffed by the amount of missing sectors. He was telling me that he could only see 2 GB, and the disc's DDP file was 2.97 GB (a DVD-5). I made a new extraction with OSEx, then used TFDVDEdit to create the Layer 0 folder and recorded the disc using Toast Titanium 5.2.1 on my G4 (under Mac OS Extended and PC compatibility mode).
I decided to test it on the PC before sending it to him, and Properties of the DVD said 2.97 GB, but...properties of the DDP Layer 0 said 2 GB! I transferred the Layer 0 folder from the G4 to the PC, and Properties indicated 2.97 GB. Then I opened Nero to record a DATA DVD, but when I dragged the folder, Nero said that the file was too large for ISO, yada, yada, and I should use UDF. Bingo! Seems that Toast 5.2.1 records something similar to ISO (even though ISO 9660 was not chosen) that the PC handles up to a 2 GB limit. Now I'm submitting 2 UDF DVD Roms for testing: one recorded with NERO and another (on the Mac) with Toast Titanium 6.0.7. Perhaps you could do the same Properties test on your pc with the DVD-Rs I sent. I feel something like egg yolk running down my left cheek... :-)
Best to you

Posted Jun 15,2005 4:39 PM larryapple

Yes, Enrique, Toast 5.2.1 messed up. I'll try Toast 6 next.

I talked to John Brisbin, and did some more tests with your discs. They have a Mac File system and an ISO file system, and ISO only supports 2GB. I'm now trying to figure out how to get the Mac to write a UDF file system.

Regards,

Larry

Posted Jun 15,2005 5:18 PM larryapple

Hi Enrique,

In Toast 6, if you select DVD-ROM (UDF), and Data (not Video), you will get a data disc that is readable by both the PC and the Mac. Sorry it took so long to figure this out, and please apologize to the replicator for me.

Regards,

Larry

Posted Jun 15,2005 5:37 PM Enrique

Hi Larry

That's what I did and it worked. I never thought that Toast 5 (having the 9660 option somewhere else) would come to bite me this way!
I'm glad it's over, pheww...