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HDAfterEdit, HD DVD, and Blu-ray
Thu, 2008-01-31 20:07 — DVDAfterEdit News
We must admit that the recent announcements about most of Hollywood going to Blu-ray exclusively caught us by surprise. At the same time, Hollywood studios have never been our customers. Blu-ray (and HD DVD, for that matter), has only a few hundred titles out. ( Some of them are really bad movies ! ) Whereas Amazon has well over 100,000 standard definition DVD titles for sale. The studios have produced only a tiny fraction of these titles. The rest of them were created by many individuals and small companies. So you and they are our current and potential customers.
Sony and Blu-ray are still mandating AACS on every replicated disc. In our opinion, this still leaves the door wide open for HD DVD as the format for the rest of us, because of the high cost of AACS per disc on small replication runs. Also the increased efficiency of the new HD codecs makes it possible to put about an hour of high definition content on a dual-layer red laser DVD, and make inexpensive duplication runs. This is of particular interest to corporate clients, where they can control the playback scenario.
So we are not dropping HD DVD development. We are very close to some exciting new capabilities. At the same time, we are also not ignoring Blu-ray, where we are going after pre-mastering for replication capability first. And we are not forgetting regular DVD's, for which we are building new automated workflow and verification functions.
So please stay tuned for more developments. We are nearly ready to release a significant upgrade of HDAfterEdit. At that time we will explain both the new capabilities and where we think the program is headed, for all three formats.
In the meantime we have opened the Beta Test section of the site to all users - there are several sections with useful information for people wanting more information about the HD formats, particularly:
HD DVD and Blu Ray Online Resources
Please let us know your views and opinions, either here or in the forums.
Regards,
Larry Applegate
President
Rivergate Software
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officially hd is in the
officially hd is in the past
blu ray is most perspective right now .
BD development underway
Hi Dan,
Thanks for the comments. I guess you've seen the more recent news post here ? The guys are already working on BD, and I'm sure will get something out to us as soon as possible - but realistically that's a way off.
Ian
BD AuthoringTodayPlease
Gang, If we don't move a little faster BD will dry up and blow away as well. Please stop mourning the passing of HD-DVD, we all had a lot riding on the format getting some legs under it. I feel that Toshiba let us down, but that is over and it is time to grab a hold of the next brass ring. If AFFORDABLE BD AUTHORING tools are not put in the hands of facilities and the independent filmmaker the whole entertainment industry will move to VOD over IP faster than you can say "How did that happen" The Blu-ray move was written on the wall. Toshiba could not market or get any amount of authoring tools to market, burners, medium, software. They were dead in the water before they knew it. They had a chance to make it and they were COMPLETELY asleep at the wheel. Please lets not make the same mistake with BD. Affordable solutions need to be designed and distributed ASAP so we can fly this ship!
Signed,
Tired of waiting for "COMING SOON" let's hear some BETA NOW!!
DanDiPaola dan@HD-Encoding.com
update..
A few weeks ago Microsoft refunded the 3 grand for the HD DVD emulator and said that they are now giving it away for free. Clearly they had a realization that it would soon be irrelevant.
I'm glad to hear that you are working on something new for BD. Let us know if you need beta testers ;). Oh and it better run on a mac!
My hope is that since all consumers (except PS3) basically have to purchase new BD players for 2.0, that the forum will now make certain features mandatory (like ethernet or wifi) and we will end up with a good format after all. Take some ideas from HD DVD and make a good fast format.
Hey.. if 2.0 compliance will require people to buy new players anyway, isn't it almost like BD didn't really WIN but whatever's next (BD 2.0) did?
-michael
Blu Ray Authoring Application
Now HD-DVD is dropped by Toshiba I guess futher development for HD-DVD is silly.
So let us concentrate on Blu : )
Certainly HD DVD work is on hold for now, although the vast majority of the work done so far is equally useful for the BD applications, too. For anyone not following the discussions on the Tully DVD list, Larry made a very interesting post earlier today:
At Rivergate we are starting on a WYSIWG BD Authoring Tool from the ground up, as a complete authoring system. It will be much more than just an "Abstraction Layer" tool such as was the only thing possible with the SD command structure. It will also be priced attractively.
Tentative name "BDAfterHDEdit". (Just kidding).
We will continue with HDAfterEdit in its present form, but concentrating on Premastering for BD & SD, and SD editing.
Guess now it is over
Now HD-DVD is dropped by Toshiba I guess futher development for HD-DVD is silly.
So let us concentrate on Blu : )
Bad timing
Hi Michael,
I feel your pain - especially given your investments and the timing :-( And, if your customer-base will go for the AACS costs, I think moving to BD at this point is probably the safest option. I also share your concerns that BD's "victory" will simply force indie releases to stay SD, until downloads are viable. On the other hand, I'm not sure you're right about the combo drives being a small percentage. How many PC drives or standalone players now only play DVD+R or DVD-R ? They are all dual-format, and consumers don't need to worry about the difference. ( OK that's not completely true, but it's not far off. ) My hope is that HD players will be the same, so that HD DVD will be a viable release format. Having said all that, I will be watching player sales very carefully like everyone else...
Ian
the whole thing sucks
I took the whole thing hard because as both a professional and as a consumer I wanted HD to win. The AACS reasons were enough alone. I like the idea of smaller providers creating content. Now the major industry has control on what content comes out - which sucks for the small guy. It also sucks for me as a consumer because I can't burn a quick HD DVD (on red laser) of a home movie to share with family.
Also from a professional side I had JUST bought the XBOX HD DVD emulator from Microsoft and other tools. Spent about 12 grand total, which was reasonable for a solution. But then THE DAY after the purchases were made Warner dropped the BD-bomb. Here I steered the company in the wrong direction AND spent money towards it, and now proven to be totally wrong.
So now we've dropped our HD DVD development and are now investigating BD solutions. I fear that HD DVD will be dead even for the consumer uses described here. "So What!" if I can make an indie disc that will play on all of those combo units. It won't be a large enough % to matter. It forces the indie title to go SD DVD.
Like I said... the whole thing sucks!
Combo players
all of thoses 100,000 DVDS played on 1 player
This is a good point, but just as with the DVD-R vs. DVD+R "war", I'm hopeful that in future players will support both formats, making the choice of disc irrelevant to the end-user. True, Sony seems to have won the battle over Hollywood studio support ( in the US at least ), which is obviously a blow for Toshiba, but if dual-format players become common-place then releasing on HD DVD will be the obvious choice for short-run releases, and both formats would still play in one player.
Ian
status quo
HD DVD burners are in the market, I got one. However, any calibrated burner will be a bit on the expensive side. To make this more attractive, lets say you only have to pay the calibration fee, which is around $2.500,-, but the burner is for free.
As Larry mentioned, given current AACS condition and prices for any market outside the US, any independent or corporate there is only HD DVD, Blu-ray simply doesnt fit economics if you go less than 5K units. Maybe the format war is not even decided by Hollywood but by Joe Beercan.
Stay tuned at HDAfteredit, great effort by Larry so far. And if I may make another suggestion, stay tuned at the DVDa as well, a lot of things are going on.
B.R. to Larry,
Niran Huesing
Burners
Yes, you have a valid point and it certainly seems odd how little attention Toshiba or others have put into this problem. There is a laptop you can buy with built-in burner, but no inexpensive way to buy a stand-alone burner.
However HD DVD players will play regular old DVD-R's that are burned with HD content. You can create the content with DVD Studio Pro on the Mac, and several applications on the PC, including ULead and DVD It! Pro. Then you burn an image created by the application with Toast or Nero.
HDAfterEdit can currently build an image from an HD DVD folder, either standard or advanced content, and soon will be able to burn a DVD+-R DL directly.
Regards,
Larry
My 2 Cents
"Whereas Amazon has well over 100,000 standard definition DVD titles for sale. The studios have produced only a tiny fraction of these titles. The rest of them were created by many individuals and small companies. So you and they are our current and potential customers."
Yes your totally right but all of thoses 100,000 DVDS played on 1 player . This Time we have 2 very different players and if The Big Fish made the move it's safe to say that the majority of people are going to own a Blu Ray Players Rather than HD DVD Players .
Our Coperate Clients or B Movie people or going to want want the format or (PLAYER) that most people own . (BLU RAY)
2 of my Clients wanted to see their project on HD Rather than a downconverted master . My only option was to craeate a Blu Ray Disc with
Roxio Pro HD did I have a choice ?
I still think there isn't a HD DVD burner on the market yet .
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